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 #7191  by Murox
 16 May 2020, 22:34
Qoute @Japeyedge
So I'm thinking:
1. Split nuc into two nuc boxes, dummy to 4 frames each, sharing frames with capped brood evenly between the two
2. Shake some bees from supers of big colony into both nucs (2a - spray air freshener or essential oil sugar mist to confuse pheromone scent?)
3. place queen in each nuc, in push-in cage over emerging brood, honey, pollen and empty cells
4. Leave for four days
5. Return, see if bees are balling her or if happy enough, removing cage if all is well.

Don't remove the push-in cage until she is laying and the bees are calm - laying might take a week perhaps more.
 #7192  by Japey Edge
 16 May 2020, 23:47
stechad wrote:
16 May 2020, 15:55
Bad luck Jaz, if it's any consolation my new queen was not accepted and nowhere to be seen,
Hi Ste - no consolation at all mate, sorry to hear. Hopefully she was just hiding and you spot her next time round
 #7193  by Japey Edge
 16 May 2020, 23:48
Murox wrote:
16 May 2020, 22:34
Qoute @Japeyedge
So I'm thinking:
1. Split nuc into two nuc boxes, dummy to 4 frames each, sharing frames with capped brood evenly between the two
2. Shake some bees from supers of big colony into both nucs (2a - spray air freshener or essential oil sugar mist to confuse pheromone scent?)
3. place queen in each nuc, in push-in cage over emerging brood, honey, pollen and empty cells
4. Leave for four days
5. Return, see if bees are balling her or if happy enough, removing cage if all is well.

Don't remove the push-in cage until she is laying and the bees are calm - laying might take a week perhaps more.
Hi Murox, thanks for the tip but I already removed the cages today. One queen dead, the other OK.
Leaving the second for a week or so.
 #7195  by Steve 1972
 17 May 2020, 12:11
Jazz..another method i was told to try a few moons ago which also worked great.. was ..
Take a frame of emerging brood covered with bees from three different colonies and place them in the six frame nuc.. shake a few more in from the three colonies before you add drawn foundation..(if you have any)..add the Queen in the commercial Queen cage with the candy plug open and give them a little feed..
It confuses the hell out of the bees with three different pheromones and Queen acceptance was good for me trying this method of many..
 #7196  by NigelP
 17 May 2020, 15:35
Nice one Steve, had never heard of doing it that way.
Although I'd still leave the candy tab intact for a few days before removing, that way you have total control over the timing of her released. They usually eat their way through it in a few hours .
 #7266  by stechad
 21 May 2020, 19:31
Japey Edge wrote:
16 May 2020, 23:47
stechad wrote:
16 May 2020, 15:55
Bad luck Jaz, if it's any consolation my new queen was not accepted and nowhere to be seen,
Hi Ste - no consolation at all mate, sorry to hear. Hopefully she was just hiding and you spot her next time round
Checked the nuc again yesterday and found an unmarked queen laying like a train, not the queen I bought from BS, I must have missed a sneaky QC but she is laying well so will see how she goes.
Also received a buckfast from "wild yorkshire honey" yesterday and introduced her in a quintex cage, opened top of nuc today to put a feeder on top and there she was casually strutting across the top of the frames, looks like she will be fine.
 #7307  by Steve 1972
 22 May 2020, 16:24
It is always a relief and a good feeling to see a Queen in a colony that has started laying and a even better feeling to see a marked bought in Queen going about her business ..